Website 4store.org offline

[almereyda]

There don't seem to be valid DNS entries for 4store.org

[swh]

Ah, I was expecting that to happen at some point.

4store.org is controlled by the company that bought Garlik, and I no longer have a connection with them.

@tialaramex - is this something you have any influence over?

[tialaramex]

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 09:51:12 -0800
Steve Harris notifications@github.com wrote:

Ah, I was expecting that to happen at some point.

4store.org is controlled by the company that bought Garlik, and I no
longer have a connection with them.

@tialaramex - is this something you have any influence over?

I can talk to people on the networks side. Can't promise anything
because this doesn't have any real consequence for the business.

What do we ideally want to happen here? And what is an OK outcome?

Presumably there was a static HTTP web site. Email addresses? Anything
else?

Personally I am happy to take this onto my DH account, either the
hosting or the domain, if they offer. But I don't have a copy of
whatever content used to be on 4store.org AFAIK

If the options are they keep the domain but it never points anywhere,
versus they abandon it (which means probably squatters will re-register
but perhaps in a year or two it'll be free to anyone) should I press
for one of those rather than the other ?

[swh]

There was a fairly comprehensive site... wiki of some kind I think. Most of the content was quite out of date, but there was some tutorial type stuff.

I have to admit, I don't know where it was hosted - 4D maybe? It shared a public key with http-a.qdos.com.

Anyway, the domain is probably more use than the actual site contents.

I think it going dead would be preferable to it going to squatters. However, I've put a backorder in at a popular domain registrar, so I've got a good chance of claiming it if they release it. Bit of a gamble though.

[swh]

Sorry, missed some of your questions.

As far as I know there were no email addresses - certainly none of any consequence.

I think a site that just linked to the github repo, and optionally held the manpages would be fine.

[tialaramex]

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 12:45:47 -0800
Steve Harris notifications@github.com wrote:

Sorry, missed some of your questions.

As far as I know there were no email addresses - certainly none of
any consequence.

I think a site that just linked to the github repo, and optionally
held the manpages would be fine.

I have asked people who ought to know, nobody has said "No" yet but they
also haven't fallen over themselves to actually do anything. I'll poke
again gently in a week or so, but if you don't hear anything by
mid-March it may be worth prodding me again too.

[tialaramex]

On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 12:55:11 +0000
Nick Lamb njl@tlrmx.org wrote:

I have asked people who ought to know, nobody has said "No" yet but
they also haven't fallen over themselves to actually do anything.
I'll poke again gently in a week or so, but if you don't hear
anything by mid-March it may be worth prodding me again too.

Got a "Yes" to at least pointing it at a server I control but not to
having the registration transferred

Left to my own devices I will currently try to get the actual
4store.org domain pointed at nameservers I control, if I can't wangle
that we'll need to give them an IPv4 address for an A record and lump
it, for which I'd give them carousel, a Virtual Host at Dreamhost that
I've already told to serve 4store.org if anybody asks for it.

This is a GREAT time to speak up if you control a non-virtual host that
would be a better option, for example because you can guarantee its
IPv4 address won't change, since I can't be sure how long it'd take to
update the DNS if I don't end up controlling it.

But worst case at least until my virtual hosting shuffles about we'll
have 4store.org back on the air.

Nick.

[swh]

Great, thanks Nick!

I think I can create an AWS instance with a static v4 address, but I'm not that keen on looking after a public apache box - happy too if that's the best option though.

[mischat]

If it is static pages, you can host things directly in s3, no need for a box or anything like that... I host a bunch of things like that and am more than happy to do so for 4store.org

Like so : https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/dev/website-hosting-custom-domain-walkthrough.html

[almereyda]

We at @ecobytes could provide IPs of Hypervisors whose :443 and :80 ports
are maintained by configurable load balancers and would be happy to donate
a static hosting to the 4store project, if requested.

On 2 March 2016 at 14:21, Mischa notifications@github.com wrote:

If it is static pages, you can host things directly in s3, no need for a
box or anything like that... I host a bunch of things like that and am more
than happy to do so for 4store.org

Like so :
https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/dev/website-hosting-custom-domain-walkthrough.html

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[swh]

Thanks for the offer @almereyda.

[kefo]

This is a little off topic at this point, but you can probably get to all or most of the static content via Internet Archive's WayBack Machine: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.4store.org

wget won't work to fetch the content, but there are other ways. I think someone developed a Ruby gem.

The content may be somewhat out of date, but still very useful to get started.

[swh]

Thanks, that's helpful.

[mischat]

like i said, if it is static content i can host in AWS really easily in my personal account

[Danny4927]

Hey i think this is an interesting project. I try to use to this tool to download the site. It is still running. If someone is interested i can also host it on my webspace. Are there any law issues if i do that? Don't want do be sued^^

[Danny4927]

ok i gave it a try. The website is hosted at:

https://4store.danielknoell.de/

[swh]

That's great, thanks Danny.

I've been wanting to do this, but don't have the time.

Could you check the HTML etc. into the Git repo?

If you're happy to host the content as is we could probably point 4store.org to it, or other people have offered to host it from AWS or similar.

@tialaramex - I believe you control the DNS entry now, is that right?

[Danny4927]

You're welcome. I can put it in the git repo as a pull request, but it also contains the archives of the different Versions which are about 200MB together.

I have no problem with hosting the content as long as i don't get sued^^

update: created pull reques #140

[swh]

That's awesome :-) I think 80% of the people that wrote the content are on this thread, so I'm pretty sure you won't get sued!

[tialaramex]

On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 04:21:35 -0700
Steve Harris notifications@github.com wrote:

That's great, thanks Danny.

I've been wanting to do this, but don't have the time.

Could you check the HTML etc. into the Git repo?

If you're happy to host the content as is we could probably point
4store.org to it, or other people have offered to host it from AWS or
similar.

@tialaramex - I believe you control the DNS entry now, is that right?

Alas no, someone, somewhere in Experian controls it. They seemed
initially co-operative, and I have emailed asking that they point it to
a site I control, and I will try prodding people again in person in
Nottingham tomorrow, but I have no means to force them to do what I
want.

Getting stuff that IS my job done can take weeks or months, stuff that's
not even my job I can't control at all. I have a serious security
problem I reported in February where they're still passing the buck.

Sorry it's not better news

Eventually even if they keep saying they'll try, we may need to assume
4store.org is gone indefinitely (their registration doesn't expire for
years) and just point people elsewhere :/

[swh]

Thanks Nick. That would be a shame, but not a disaster I suspect.

[ajtucker]

How about using GitHub pages?

Presumably if and when you can get someone to update the DNS, it can be pointed to GitHub

[mischat]

good point ...

[Danny4927]

i copied the files of the website to the gh-pages branch...if #141 is merged, it should be possible to use GitHub pages

[swh]

Just merged now, cheers Danny.

[Danny4927]

np....only the links have to be adapted...

[swh]

Cool, we can probably fix that with a bit of creative HTML hackery, or sed.

[berezovskyi]

I just created https://github.com/4store/4store.github.io (https://4store.github.io/). Added @swh as an owner to the org.

[berezovskyi]

@Danny4927 would you have any spare time to update the website under https://github.com/4store/4store.github.io, please?

[jonassmedegaard]

What is holding back progress here?

@Danny4927 Did you perhaps miss the earlier nudge?

[amirouche]

The mirror link is broken too http://4store.danielknoell.de/

[Danny4927]

Hi i reinstalled my server so the mirror is gone, sorry. I thought you have already moved the site to https://4store.github.io/.