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Conciousness vs being awake #29
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This seems to be linked to the question of what to do with the phenotype term 'asleep' #131 |
I would go further than @dosumis to propose that NBO deprecates all three NBO terms together as part of the ongoing deprecation of the Phenotype branch that @rays22 is working with me on. Any comments or alternatives? |
@DitchingIt I am fine with a "phenotype" designation for "asleep" or
"wakeful/wakefulness". However, there are specific behavioral attributes
of "Sleeping" that, I argue, mean that we need to keep that term as a
behavior . I would think of it as analogous to such terms as "standing" or
"crouching"....states that are postural in very typical ways, perhaps
active or require activity to start and end. So sleeping in a fish might
be defined with respect to opercular movements, tiny adjustments to stay in
place, etc, or in a canid, holding a body position in a curl with tail over
its nose, with a low respiratory rate, eyelids closed, etc .
In my crow ethogram, I cannot drop "standing" or "sleeping" easily from my
"behaviors", although both may be defined as a complex of positional and
motion-related descriptors.
In studying behavior, I don't know what to do with "consciousness", do not
claim anything about it except in more theoretical discussions and am happy
to have it classified elsewhere.
…On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 8:54 AM Ditch Townsend ***@***.***> wrote:
1. @matentzn <https://github.com/matentzn> has argued that being
'asleep' NBO:0000649 (Phenotype branch) is a phenotype
<#133 (comment)>
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2. GO:0042746 implicitly defines wakefulness as the opposite of
asleep. Wikipedia says so explicitly, and no longer suggests (as it did in
2015) that wakefulness is a behaviour, but that it is a state. By these
tokens, 'wakefulness' NBO:0000066 (Process branch) should also be a
phenotype.
3. Wikipedia goes further to suggest that consciousness
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness> is not only a state but
perhaps is synonymous with wakefulness. Either way, 'being conscious'
NBO:0000649 (Process branch parent of wakefulness) should be considered a
phenotype.
I would go further than @dosumis <https://github.com/dosumis> to propose
that NBO deprecates all three NBO terms together as part of the ongoing
deprecation of the Phenotype branch that @rays22
<https://github.com/rays22> is working with me on.
Any comments or alternatives?
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Absolutely @aclark-binghamton-edu - I am NOT suggesting we drop NBO:0000024 sleeping behavior. |
We are on same page, then! all good with sleeping behaviors!
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However, there are specific behavioral attributes of "Sleeping" that, I
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Conciousness: ""Behavior related to a variety of aspects of the relationship between the mind and the world with which it interacts." [wikipedia:Consciousness]"
Wakfefulness: ""Behavior related to the state of being conscious and engages in a coherent cognitive and behavior responses to the external world." [NBO:SD, wikipedia:Wakefulness]"
Many animals sleep. For many of those species, most researchers would not be comfortable with use of the term 'mind'. And conciousness obviously has connotations far beyond the state of wakefulness.
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